She tried to play both sides, but eventually, she just got played.

Julia Sokolowskis plan forSurvivor: Kaoh Rongwas to straddle two alliances.

I really thought I had Michele.

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I was really caught off guard by that.

I never in a million years would have expected her to vote me off.

I was devastated in a lot of ways.

I was really upset and it was truly a knife to the heart.

But, in a way, I have respect for her.

She needed to vote me out to prove her allegiance.

She did what she had to do to progress her game.

No hard feelings now.

I knew Aubry would never work with me.

So I really had to look at my options and see what was out there.

And at the time, Tai was a huge threat.

But Cydney and Michele thought otherwise.

This could be my game.

[Michele and I] were always on the bottom of the Joe-Aubry-Cydney group at the time.

So I really wanted to switch things up.

It was obviously a dangerous game.

I really had no idea that Cydney, Aubry, Tai, and Joe voted for Scot.

I genuinely thought Tai was going home.

So I was so, so confused.

I was completely caught off guard.

And you saw last night when I went back to camp, I was fuming mad.

I really was upset.

It was a really crazy scene and hard to wrap my head around at the time.

Weve seen it in past seasons.

(The JuliaSurvivorinterview starts at 43:30 into the podcast.)

But first we begin with a trip to Westeros to talk with Jaime Lannister himself, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau.

Its a conversation anyGame of Thronesfan will want to hear.

Great stuff from Fox Mulder comin at ya!

(The Duchovny interview begins at 19:30.)

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