Norma and Norman Bates are arguably the most complicated mother-son duo on television.

Theyve got enough secrets to last a lifetime.

We have crashed it, as I cant find the key to my proper office, just FYI.

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KERRY:Why did you initially have a desire to participate in writing forBates Motel?

FREDDIE:I wanted to be involved in the wider process of doing the show.

But I had ideas I wanted to bring to the table, in a merely suggestive way.

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So I think thats where I first had a burning desire to write.

It has always been great fun to talk about writing with you.

And you always had good ideas.

FREDDIE:Why, thank you.

A space where anything goes: theres no judgment and you dont have to hold back.

At the end of the season you honestly dont remember who pitched what idea.

KERRY:I personally keep a log of everything I have contributed.

This is a joke by the way, but moving on… lets talk about your episode, Unfaithful.

FREDDIE:And Normans right…

KERRY:Well, yes of course you think he is!

Theres this thing called therapy.

Although I personally think Nestor thinks Romero is more right.

Thats the tragedy of the entire show.

KERRY:Thats a very interesting perspective, Norman.

FREDDIE:Its all Romeros fault.

Hes got it coming for him.

Ten cuidado, Nestor.

KERRY:So in that last scene with the axe, why doesnt Norman just take his head off?

He fights hard to control that part of him.

Hes trying to look after her.

Both Norma and Norman always attempt to care for each other in the best way possible.

They just get it so wrong.

KERRY:Well said.

What scene were you most anxious about writing?

Shes a genius, and elevates everything to a whole new level.

KERRY:Yes, she is.

And she always imbues everything with a very specific truth.

Its fascinating to watch her do different takes all so different but all so utterly right and real.

But dont use Veras awesomeness as an excuse to avoid my question!

If you had to pick a scene…

FREDDIE:Hmmm.

I think it would be the scene in the dining room where the fight breaks out.

The heart of the episode.

The explosion

FREDDIE: and where the characters reveal their true emotions.

Its also one of those scenes you cant pre-plan on paper.

KERRY:I dont remember the meh.

We were reassuring you.

It was more like, We know you will find it in the writing!

Dont f it up!

KERRY:Wow, this doesnt sound like the happiest place on earth at all.

And you did find it.

Its a wonderful scene.

Freddie:Thank you.

Kerry:You didnt f it up.

:We are now going to attempt to kidnap a golf cart on the lot.